discourse and people who don't understand

part of a discussion on space hey that I had>>>> link to discussion for context: https://forum.spacehey.com/topic?id=68008

Fundamentally disagree with your premises, as they are all strawmen and seem to be what you think I believe versus what I believe.


“ you act like you own the planet, that you're entitled to the entire land air and sea, so much so that you believe that the planet should fit your ideal model alone, when in reality tons of other people would want it in other ways”


Generally, I do not feel that I own anything as I reject the notion that humans are special and own whatever they are advancing. That's what you projected onto me. How is caring about the planet and the entire idea of life (I.E all living creatures) entitled? I think you are confused. That’s what the make-believe religions say. We are animals and a part of the symbiont circle

Just like everything in the world.


“You own your property, you look after your property and support businesses that follow practices that you support. Its really as simple a that. Let the free market do its thing - Nuclear power delivery. That would massively boost adoption for electric vehicles as well.”


However, you need to explain how the "free market" fixes everything. Sorry, that's not how it works. Markets are only concerned with higher returns on investment in the next quarter. It's all about money. Therefore, it's likely that you are indifferent to anything other than yourself if you can still type an idiotic statement like this.


In addition, I have no problem with cryptocurrency or any other form of money over fiat?

In the near term, nuclear power adoption may give way and time to improving more solar, wind, and hydroelectric power. But nuclear power should not be the end goal more of a stop gap. But again, I don’t know where you thought my position was… that’s a projection of what you think I thought. I said nothing about that.



“Nobody is saying climate change isn't real, it is, but not as exaggerated as politicians make it to be and regardless the entire planet has been changing for millions of years well before humans. It inevitably will change with or without us over the next few billion years, do you seriously expect the planet to look the same?”


In your statement, you pretty much say the same thing that anyone who doesn't care says, and I am sorry you have no data to back up your claims.

Although the world has changed, you simply do not recognize the gravity of the situation that mankind has created over the last 12,000 years (the last 150 specifically).





“So seriously get a hold of yourself and let go of the paranoia from political brainwashing. Politicians will use whatever they can get to push their election campaigns, including fear-mongering with wild climate change claims. They really don't care about climate change, else they would have supported legalizing commercial nuclear power generation a long time ago.”


You don't seem to understand what you're talking about. I'm not a leftist, a rightist, a middle-grounder, or whatever. What matters to me is the well-being of the entire planet and all live that inhabits it. The rights of one individual don't matter to me if it causes harm to everyone else. It's that simple. Rather than thinking " Fuck you, I have mine ", why not have a conversation instead of dividing everyone who opposes your viewpoint into camps? We all live on this one ship, one rock, we get one life, and if we fuck it up that’s it.


Could you please clarify your positions a bit better? I don't mean to come off as an ass, but you seemed to dismiss things without presenting any evidence.


Because some of you will only read part of this before claiming I’m biased, here are my responses on how to use logic to reach a conclusion.


The so-called good and bad are subjective to the eye of the beholder. One might think only of themselves, hence to try to maximize pleasure could justify to themselves many things that others might find horrific. And for good measure. We tend as a society to have what is a colloquial sense of morality and or a generalized sense of what is right and wrong. But it does sit on a sliding scale depending on the person you ask. There are no absolutes.


But when it comes to things like sifting through data or information. The way that I approach things is via the scientific method. When looking into any topic you want to find a body of objectively verifiable facts that are positively indicative of or exclusively concordant with one position notion over another. When things can be verified, tested, and put under scrutiny and still produce the same results, they can be backed up safely. The real key is being able to not be dogmatic and trying not to work backward from an already believed conclusion.


So when looking through information disregarding unreliable means:

If something is not compliant with other verifiable sources and is not falsifiable then that thing can be discarded. There will always be some bias in sources. However, that's why you should use multiple sources and confirm that whatever is said has been verified and isn’t just unsupported assertions.






Sources:

https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/


https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_Full_Report.pdf


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